Curse

animal fighter · Jun 23, 2011, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by expugnare

Remember when Stygian Reavers were worth 500e?

I remember when I got a q10 for 160e, good thing I sold mine before they went down in price. Thanks CoF/Zchest.

But yeah I'm pretty disappointed about magmas shields/dwarven axes/tyrian serpents being inscribable..

StueyG · Jun 24, 2011, 07:00 AM // 07:00

Every time there is a thread that talks about anything like this there is always people that say they want everything inscription and it is not fair that things are not handed to them because they don't have time to make enough money for the rare items. I play lots of games that I don't have everything all the other people have that are able to put in way more time but I don't complain - it just takes more time and when I do get it I APPRECIATE IT.

And they obviously know something about items otherwise they would not have done the whole bit with r7 swords - which if you read dev notes on some sites they say they wanted to add them for short periods to create rare/special items. Also over the years they have messed with weapons here and there with nerfs etc. Honestly I think it started with the weapon traders - then they added greens - then with NF they added the inscription system. They obviously noticed something, had complaints, or in the end - why add it?

helloeveryone · Jun 24, 2011, 10:13 AM // 10:13

some item, for example, Bo staff and outcast shield are considered "rare" hugely due to the influence of this website and assumptions should never be taken as facts. For example, assuming that a uninscribable crystaline is "rarer" than inscribable crystaline are nothing more than just guessing. Look at HA now and the past, its more or less a dead town, there could jolly well be more uninscribable ones around.

Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare. There will always be someone who collects a lot of lesser known items such as Guardian Branch, Outcast shield, Bo Staff etc and spending weeks inflating it in guru and giving "reasons" like it is "super nice looking", "super rare" etc.

Knowing how human "epeen" oriented minds works, for example, a simple and commonly drop item such as Bo Staff suddenly becomes "rare" and sells like hotcakes.

Next, you will have people coming in and telling me i m stupid, and forcefully reinforcing the "fact" that Bo Staff and outcase shield is super rare etc.
Worst case scenario, someone may just come in, lock the thread and ban me for a while.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 24, 2011, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

some item, for example, Bo staff and outcast shield are considered "rare" hugely due to the influence of this website and assumptions should never be taken as facts. For example, assuming that a uninscribable crystaline is "rarer" than inscribable crystaline are nothing more than just guessing. Look at HA now and the past, its more or less a dead town, there could jolly well be more uninscribable ones around.

Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare. There will always be someone who collects a lot of lesser known items such as Guardian Branch, Outcast shield, Bo Staff etc and spending weeks inflating it in guru and giving "reasons" like it is "super nice looking", "super rare" etc.

Knowing how human "epeen" oriented minds works, for example, a simple and commonly drop item such as Bo Staff suddenly becomes "rare" and sells like hotcakes.

Next, you will have people coming in and telling me i m stupid, and forcefully reinforcing the "fact" that Bo Staff and outcase shield is super rare etc.
Worst case scenario, someone may just come in, lock the thread and ban me for a while.

Lol, euhm, you do realize that everything you said is complete BS, right?

uninscr crystallines (gold ones) can not drop anymore, they used to only drop from HoH chest, which used to only drop an item for 1 person in the party (I think?). Hence why the amount of uninscr cryssies is far lower than isncr. Also, that crap about HA being dead? Zchest says hi. Oh, and most uninscr cryssies are on dead/banned accounts, so they're lost as well.

Then, Bo staffs. Bo staffs aren't a rare drop, in fact they're common as dirt, the blue and the white ones, that is. I dare you to go and farm me a q9 20/20 (any attribute) bo staff. I'll talk to you again in about 5 years.. Their droprate is so retardedly low, and the chances of actually getting a 20/20 are even lower, thus they are rare.

Outcast shields then.. I might be a bad example for this, because GW hates me. I once tried farming them, and I opened about 2,000 Outcast chests both in HM and in NM, and I got 5 Outcast shields total: 3 gold, 2 purple (or vice versa) and they were all shit. Other people have better luck and get a shield every ~100 chests, but I don't. But to stay on the subject, they aren't rare, if you wanted one, you'd easily get one, it's the mods that are rare. If you knew anything about uninscr shields, then you'd know that actually getting a dualmod shield is already a pain in the ass, then getting one with decent mods is even worse..

Your entire retarded rant could've been avoided if you knew anything about how uninscr drops and basic statistics work..

Jason Xll · Jun 24, 2011, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Lol, euhm, you do realize that everything you said is complete BS, right?

uninscr crystallines (gold ones) can not drop anymore, they used to only drop from HoH chest, which used to only drop an item for 1 person in the party (I think?). Hence why the amount of uninscr cryssies is far lower than isncr. Also, that crap about HA being dead? Zchest says hi. Oh, and most uninscr cryssies are on dead/banned accounts, so they're lost as well.

Then, Bo staffs. Bo staffs aren't a rare drop, in fact they're common as dirt, the blue and the white ones, that is. I dare you to go and farm me a q9 20/20 (any attribute) bo staff. I'll talk to you again in about 5 years.. Their droprate is so retardedly low, and the chances of actually getting a 20/20 are even lower, thus they are rare.

Outcast shields then.. I might be a bad example for this, because GW hates me. I once tried farming them, and I opened about 2,000 Outcast chests both in HM and in NM, and I got 5 Outcast shields total: 3 gold, 2 purple (or vice versa) and they were all shit. Other people have better luck and get a shield every ~100 chests, but I don't. But to stay on the subject, they aren't rare, if you wanted one, you'd easily get one, it's the mods that are rare. If you knew anything about uninscr shields, then you'd know that actually getting a dualmod shield is already a pain in the ass, then getting one with decent mods is even worse..

Your entire retarded rant could've been avoided if you knew anything about how uninscr drops and basic statistics work..

Thank you for pointing out the absurdity in the claims above... Saved me a lot of typing.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 24, 2011, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by Jason Xll

Thank you for pointing out the absurdity in the claims above... Saved me a lot of typing.

Any time bro

Matrix Arcade · Jun 24, 2011, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

some item, for example, Bo staff and outcast shield are considered "rare" hugely due to the influence of this website and assumptions should never be taken as facts. For example, assuming that a uninscribable crystaline is "rarer" than inscribable crystaline are nothing more than just guessing. Look at HA now and the past, its more or less a dead town, there could jolly well be more uninscribable ones around.

Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare. There will always be someone who collects a lot of lesser known items such as Guardian Branch, Outcast shield, Bo Staff etc and spending weeks inflating it in guru and giving "reasons" like it is "super nice looking", "super rare" etc.

Knowing how human "epeen" oriented minds works, for example, a simple and commonly drop item such as Bo Staff suddenly becomes "rare" and sells like hotcakes.

Next, you will have people coming in and telling me i m stupid, and forcefully reinforcing the "fact" that Bo Staff and outcase shield is super rare etc.
Worst case scenario, someone may just come in, lock the thread and ban me for a while.

Can't tell if trolling ... or just very stupid

teh bestest is here · Jun 24, 2011, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

some item, for example, Bo staff and outcast shield are considered "rare" hugely due to the influence of this website and assumptions should never be taken as facts. For example, assuming that a uninscribable crystaline is "rarer" than inscribable crystaline are nothing more than just guessing. Look at HA now and the past, its more or less a dead town, there could jolly well be more uninscribable ones around.

Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare. There will always be someone who collects a lot of lesser known items such as Guardian Branch, Outcast shield, Bo Staff etc and spending weeks inflating it in guru and giving "reasons" like it is "super nice looking", "super rare" etc.

Knowing how human "epeen" oriented minds works, for example, a simple and commonly drop item such as Bo Staff suddenly becomes "rare" and sells like hotcakes.

Next, you will have people coming in and telling me i m stupid, and forcefully reinforcing the "fact" that Bo Staff and outcase shield is super rare etc.
Worst case scenario, someone may just come in, lock the thread and ban me for a while.

Y u no know how gw economy works?!?!

helloeveryone · Jun 24, 2011, 10:02 PM // 22:02

nope, i m not trolling but is definately stupid to some that thinks or feels differently, but i will not label those that feels differently "stupid".I am passed that age of labelling others and calling people names. It is just different perspective.

For example, There could jolly well be more Uninscrible Q9 20/20 Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff,Outcast Staff,Plagueborn Staff than Bo Staff. Without a credible source of information and with no official statistic to back me up, I do not have the audacity to say that any of those canthan staff above is "rarer" than the other one.

As for those that "claims" that they open "thousands" of chest and none drops, well, bad luck is bad luck. One could do a UW smite run with no ectos drops, that does not means that smite doesn't drop ectos often for others doing the same run.

Making absurd assumptions and empty claims does not means that it is the fact.

This forum is a little sarcastic? just kidding =)

o m g pizowned · Jun 24, 2011, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

Making absurd assumptions and empty claims does not means that it is the fact.

This forum is a little sarcastic? just kidding =)

You are making absurd assumptions. Please just stay out of this thread, your input is not valued.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 24, 2011, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

As for those that "claims" that they open "thousands" of chest and none drops, well, bad luck is bad luck. One could do a UW smite run with no ectos drops, that does not means that smite doesn't drop ectos often for others doing the same run.

Lol, you have never heard of statistics, have you?

Your example is flawed in so many ways it's ridiculous.. You're comparing 1 smite run with 2,000 chests. That's like saying: "I will take 1 random person on the streets and as him if he's gay. Oh, he's not, conclusion, there are no gay people, or otherwise, if he is, everyone is gay."
Doing something repeatedly and noting the results is a way of determining facts, in fact that's how statistics work in real life. They look at as many example as possible and will draw conclusions, which I have done from chest running. Running ~8,000 chests, and getting like 3 decent dual mod uninscr shields will yield the conclusion that decent dual mod shields are rare.
It's not a solid conclusion, but it's safe to assume they are rare then. Again, this is how real life statistics work, you might wanna look into it some time.

Also, the way of telling which one is rares is by looking at the market. Your so called claim of "you can't know exactly" is in fact true, but you're missing a huge bit. You're saying that us saying something is rare is flawed cause there could be an evil person that has hundreds of them and is keeping them from the market to make money. Well, by all means, he is entitled to do so, but determining the rarity of something is seeing howmany are available for sale, if someone had 1,000 mini Kanaxai's, but he would only put 1 up for sale, then it would be damn rare, cause there would be only 1 available, but there still would be a thousand of them.

Again, your stupid little rant could've been solved by common sense.

carnage-runner · Jun 24, 2011, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Chiming in on hello guy there... umm... You don't know anything. Yea, that about sums it up. If you're going to speak, make sure it's not some hypocritic statement that overtly labels a great deal of people here as liars, or people inflating a certain market.

Oh, and just because... the list of staves you listed.
Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff,Outcast Staff,Plagueborn Staff than Bo Staff
I'll just re order that for you.
Dragon Staff, Bo Staff, Outcast Staff, Forbidden Staff, Celestial Staff, Plagueborn Staff, Cockatrice Staff.
That is my opinion, and i'll grant that they may not be in perfect order, and in fact are most likely impossible to perfectly order. The fact remains that Dragon Staves are likely the rarest staves in game, followed directly if not tied with bo staves. Outcast and Forbidden staves with 20/20 mods are also very rare. Then Cele, plague and cockatrice are all easily obtained in chests that are extremely easy to access, making them less rare, but still very rare to obtain (edit) with perfect 20/20 mods (edit/).

FURTHERMORE>....>>>@@$@#! Crystallines in uninsc form in gold are rare. How rare? REALLY RARE. SO RARE that you obviously have no idea. As for there being stats on how many of these things there are and so forth... Here's a little insight for you.
R8 15^50 Crystallines were in less abundance when they dropped then (edit)most of the highend minis (kanaxai, panda.. etc.) (edit/).... One better... All 15^50 uninsc crystallines when they dropped, were in less abundance than R9 insc crystallines. How do i know this? simple.. EVERYONE who played this game with any seriousness during 05-07 knows this.(this is an assumption based on an educated guess that has been made with respect to years of combined knowledge of some of the smartest traders in the game... roughly)

Ok, now that I'm done explaining to you how ridiculous your post was, and that in no way can you salvage any meaningful argument, I think I'll end with a little bit of advice.

Next time you insist on making a point.

"assumptions should never be taken as facts"

"Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare."

Make sure that you don't directly violate your own point, and make sure that your point makes sense.

No one knows exactly how many unded Kanaxai there are, since many were banned. In other words... That's a really crappy example, and there are no good examples as the accounts getting banned include the ones with highend pets as well...

Kaboom.

expugnare · Jun 24, 2011, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Chiming in on hello guy there... The fact remains that Dragon Staves are likely the rarest staves in game, followed directly if not tied with bo staves.

My plat staff feels left out. : (

On a serious note, good answer.

animal fighter · Jun 24, 2011, 11:56 PM // 23:56

helloeveryone must be the same guy in kamadan trying to tell me a 20/10 forbidden staff is worth the same amount as a 20/20 with matching attributes because "10% hct has the same amount of chance to drop as any 20% hct"

carnage-runner · Jun 25, 2011, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by animal fighter

helloeveryone must be the same guy in kamadan trying to tell me a 20/10 forbidden staff is worth the same amount as a 20/20 with matching attributes because "10% hct has the same amount of chance to drop as any 20% hct"

Hahaha. Lol.

superraptors · Jun 25, 2011, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by expugnare

Remember when Stygian Reavers were worth 500e?

just when i finally got something food from tombs back then, id'd deathbane aaaaaaaa

was req9 also

StueyG · Jun 25, 2011, 07:57 AM // 07:57

All I can say is... wow. helloeveryone you should take the time to read and try to understand what has been posted before trying to comment about things which you obviously have no clue whatsoever about.

Quoted from helloeveryone on a thread about 20/20 bo staves:
this Bo staff thingy is the new overprice item due to some group having stored a bunch of it and now want to offload it eh?
one simple reason, bostaff looks completely uncreative, no "wow" effect, totally simple skin, and it is UGLY as hell

Why someone has to gripe so much about something they hate I don't know..... no one is forcing anyone to pay anything for a bo staff. The people that are spending 200e+ for a nice r9 20/20 know more than you do obviously about how rare they are and you are the biggest hypocrite because you rant about everyone having an opinion but you are the type that your opinion is always the right one obviously. I have one bo staff that is 20/20 and it is r13 air 20/20 air magic and it is customized so I am not part of your obvious conspiracy theory about people trying to make them go up in value.

Kabong · Jun 25, 2011, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

Kaboom.

You mean Kabong. It's OK. You can use it.

carnage-runner · Jun 25, 2011, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by StueyG

so I am not part of your obvious conspiracy theory about people trying to make them go up in value.

You are part of a conspiracy? How can I join?

cataphract · Jun 28, 2011, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by StueyG

I have one bo staff that is 20/20 and it is r13 air 20/20 air magic and it is customized so I am not part of your obvious conspiracy theory about people trying to make them go up in value.

20/20... <3 Air Magic... <3 Bo Staff... <3

*drools uncontrollably*